[BearwWthoutBorders] Watching the tube and all on the "gun control" issue

Tue Dec 18 14:37:16 EST 2012

A good try, Hunter, but I'm not persuaded. However you are on target (in my
view) on the other aspects of the problem, from monitoring mental illness
(though we would both agree the sane folks do most of the killing - ie,
war), to the violent games that are so popular.

The NRA staff folks make a good living at what they are doing.

Peace,
David McReynolds

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Hunter Gray
<hunterbadbear at hunterbear.org>wrote:

> **
> *Idaho Mountains:  December 18 2012:*
> **
> *When I haven't been outside, shoveling and dealing with
> rain-into-snow-into-ice [and grateful that I have heavy Lowa Size 16
> Mountain Boots that prevent disastrous slippage on slick stuff], I've been
> listening to the gun control folk on TV.  CNN, in some quarters, has
> increased its anti-gun sentiments -- but not yet to the point of becoming,
> once again, the "Clinton News Network" of the '90s. Not surprisingly,
> MSNBC, which totally capitulated a couple of years ago to the superficial
> and often supercilious "liberalism" of the central Atlantic coast, has the
> full retinue of anti-gunners.  They seem especially fond of those
> relatively few who have defected from the gun rights ranks.*
> **
> *Defections under pressure always remind me of this little colloquy on
> Satan -- in which, presumably, neither of the two, one the inquisitor and
> the other the focus, actually believed:*
> **
> *"[He] is thin, ascetic and a fanatical devotee of logic.  He reads
> Machiavelli, Ignatius of Loyola, Marx and Hegel; he is cold and unmerciful
> to mankind, out of a kind of mathematical mercifulness.  [If a setback
> occurs] he shrugs his shoulders; he has seen many weaken and creep out of
> his ranks with pompous pretexts. . ."*
>
> *Ivanov to Rubashov in Darkness at Noon [Koestler].*
>
> *I wrote last evening on Redbadbear that "Anti-gun people, including the
> few there are on RBB, don't strike me as knowing much at all, if
> anything, about firearms, hunting, self-defense. "  I underscore that and
> add, and many know little about firearms law. (Some may know many things I
> don't but there are things about which I do know much, often
> experientially.)  A close family connection was in a meeting yesterday in a
> mid-western city.  The topic had nothing to do with guns but eventually got
> around to the subject.  Our person said "Virtually everyone there assumed
> all someone had to do was go to a gun shop with money and come out right
> away with a machine gun."*
>
> *Of course, that's flatly untrue.  Machine guns -- and fully automatic,
> genuine military assault rifles -- have been banned for civilian use for
> decades, the former since the year I was born. What are loosely termed
> "military assault rifles" in these tragic civilian situations are simply
> conventional semi-automatics, dressed up in superficial military clothing.
> *
>
> *And there's a good deal of paper work and related ritual involved in any
> gun store purchase.*
>
> *Another recent quote of the same genre from New York City:  "Anyone can
> go down to Virginia, buy a truckload of guns right away, and come up and
> sell them on the New York City streets."*
>
> *And I heard someone on either CNN or MSNBC ask, in bewildered fashion,
> "Why do people need more than one gun?"  Well, different firearms for
> different purposes: e.g., small game, big game, quail, ducks and geese,
> target shooting, protection.  Simple as that.  I now have six firearms
> (having given some away to younger family members):  four lever action big
> bore hunting rifles (Marlins and Browning High Grade Winchester replicas),
> a single barrel .10 gauge Magnum shotgun via New England Firearms, a .22
> Magnum Ruger revolver. (I don't like semi-automatics but many people do and
> they're perfectly legal.)*
>
> *Lots of talk demonizing the NRA from people who really know little or
> nothing about it.  Some talk attacking gun owners in general -- but still
> little on mental health issues and the sociological causes of crime -- and
> virtually nothing about the effects of our long term and endless wars on
> developing psychotics.  (Apparently the kid who did the killings in
> Connecticut was  a very, very long time obsessive devotee of the most
> violent video war games.  Where were his family members, others?)*
>
> *The NRA presently has more than four million members. This current
> situation will draw even more. There are at least 80 million gun owners in
> this country and a truly vast number of firearms.  The two relatively
> recent USSC decisions clarifying the 2nd Amendment as a full member of the
> Bill of Rights stand tall, though not totally absolute, in a firearms
> protective sense -- and have ended what was once the decades of ungrounded
> talk about the 2nd meaning only state militias.*
>
> *And many, if not most, political races tend to be pretty close these
> days.*
>
> *See this long and full and pluralistic web page of ours on many things
> relating to firearms:  http://hunterbear.org/BLOODSTAINED%20TRAIL.htm*
>
> *And here is something interesting that came to me just this morning: **
> http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/18/yes-guns-are-dangerous-but-they-also-sav
> *
>
> *We have a host of other issues.  When, for example, do we see bona fide
> Labor Law Reform -- now decades overdue?*
>
> *Hunter Gray (Hunter Bear) Benefactor Life Member, NRA; Life Member of
> North Dakota Shooting Sports Association*
> *HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq /St. Francis
> Abenaki/St. Regis Mohawk
> Member, National Writers Union AFL-CIO
> **www.hunterbear.org* <http://www.hunterbear.org>*
> (much social justice material)*
> **
> *I have always lived and worked in the Borderlands.*
> **
> *Key pieces from our big Jackson Mississippi Movement
> scrapbook.  Three consecutive and full pages beginning with
> this Link:  **http://hunterbear.org/a_piece_of__the_scrapbook.htm*<http://hunterbear.org/a_piece_of__the_scrapbook.htm>
> *And see my reflection ON BEING A MILITANT AND RADICAL
> ORGANIZER -- AND AN EFFECTIVE ONE:
> **http://crmvet.org/comm/hunter1.htm* <http://crmvet.org/comm/hunter1.htm>
> **
> *The Stormy Adoption of an Indian Child [My Father]:
> **http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm*<http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm>
> *(Expanded in Fall 2012. Photos. Material on our Native
> background.)  And see Personal Background Narrative:
> **http://hunterbear.org/narrative.htm*<http://hunterbear.org/narrative.htm>
> *  (Updated into 2012) *
> **
> *For the new (11/2011) and expanded/updated
> edition of my "Organizer's Book," JACKSON MISSISSIPPI --
> with a new and substantial introduction by me.
>  **http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm* <http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm>
>
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